Vortrag:rechte Tendenzen in Industrial, Dark Wave und Metal
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von kirchohmfeld » 02.04.2006 (13:11)
Na ja, inwieweit das CONTRAST (Outback) die richtige Örtlichkeit für diese Veranstaltung ist, sei mal dahin gestellt, zumindest wenn man sich eine gewisse Neutralität dem Thema gegenüber erhofft. Da ich dies aber weder dem Veranstalter noch dem Redner zu "unterstellen" vermag, wünsche allen Besuchern in meiner alten Heimat viel Spaß und einen vergnüglichen Abend.
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kirchohmfeld - Beiträge: 123
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von orange » 08.04.2006 (21:43)
L.White hat geschrieben:..... ansonsten gibt es meist schon am Einlass Probleme!
klar, wenn da nen verbal aggressiver superproll kommt, dem seine anti-eloquente gesprächskultur gut sichtbar im gesicht verankert ist und den jeder idiot kennt, dann wird er natürlich net reingelassen. was ist daran so ungewöhnlich?
- orange
von YelworC » 08.04.2006 (22:16)
orange hat geschrieben:klar, wenn da nen verbal aggressiver superproll kommt, dem seine anti-eloquente gesprächskultur gut sichtbar im gesicht verankert ist
Ich hoffe, Deine eloquente Gesprächskultur beherbergt irgendwo im Keller wenigstens noch einen Rest Genitiv.
Von Superproll zu Superproll...
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von sex machine » 08.04.2006 (23:04)
Wieso "Ignore"-Button? Nur weil man das Thema oder Buesser nicht so prickelnd findet, muss man nicht saemtliche Beitraege von Blendwerk ignorieren, oder?
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von L.White » 09.04.2006 (9:53)
[quote="orange"]
klar, wenn da nen verbal aggressiver superproll kommt, dem seine anti-eloquente gesprächskultur gut sichtbar im gesicht verankert ist und den jeder idiot kennt, dann wird er natürlich net reingelassen. was ist daran so ungewöhnlich?
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der Superproll bist du doch wohl eher!
intolerant, dumm und nicht in der Lage ein sachliches Gespräch zu führen! warscheinlich würdest du sogar zuschlagen wenn dir jemand nicht passt!
aber da zeigt es sich mal wieder ganz deutlich wer hier die wirklich aggressiven, intoleranten Menschen sind!
immer schön die Hasskappe überziehen wenn es abend auf Berlins Strassen auf vermeintliche "Faschojagd" geht und sich dann noch beschweren, wenn nicht mal mehr die Bevölkerung eure ach so hochgelobte Missionierung der Gesellschaft unterstützt!
wie dumm kannst du denn noch sein du Troll!
klar, wenn da nen verbal aggressiver superproll kommt, dem seine anti-eloquente gesprächskultur gut sichtbar im gesicht verankert ist und den jeder idiot kennt, dann wird er natürlich net reingelassen. was ist daran so ungewöhnlich?
[/quote]der Superproll bist du doch wohl eher!
intolerant, dumm und nicht in der Lage ein sachliches Gespräch zu führen! warscheinlich würdest du sogar zuschlagen wenn dir jemand nicht passt!
aber da zeigt es sich mal wieder ganz deutlich wer hier die wirklich aggressiven, intoleranten Menschen sind!
immer schön die Hasskappe überziehen wenn es abend auf Berlins Strassen auf vermeintliche "Faschojagd" geht und sich dann noch beschweren, wenn nicht mal mehr die Bevölkerung eure ach so hochgelobte Missionierung der Gesellschaft unterstützt!
wie dumm kannst du denn noch sein du Troll!
- L.White
von MINOR » 09.04.2006 (10:24)
L.White hat geschrieben:orange hat geschrieben:klar, wenn da nen verbal aggressiver superproll kommt, dem seine anti-eloquente gesprächskultur gut sichtbar im gesicht verankert ist und den jeder idiot kennt, dann wird er natürlich net reingelassen. was ist daran so ungewöhnlich?
der Superproll bist du doch wohl eher!
intolerant, dumm und nicht in der Lage ein sachliches Gespräch zu führen! warscheinlich würdest du sogar zuschlagen wenn dir jemand nicht passt!
aber da zeigt es sich mal wieder ganz deutlich wer hier die wirklich aggressiven, intoleranten Menschen sind!
immer schön die Hasskappe überziehen wenn es abend auf Berlins Strassen auf vermeintliche "Faschojagd" geht und sich dann noch beschweren, wenn nicht mal mehr die Bevölkerung eure ach so hochgelobte Missionierung der Gesellschaft unterstützt!
wie dumm kannst du denn noch sein du Troll!
mehr als rumschnauzen kannst Du aber scheinbar auch nicht
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von a.nienie » 09.04.2006 (10:33)
L.White hat geschrieben:...
immer schön die Hasskappe überziehen wenn es abend auf Berlins Strassen auf vermeintliche "Faschojagd" geht und sich dann noch beschweren, wenn nicht mal mehr die Bevölkerung eure ach so hochgelobte Missionierung der Gesellschaft unterstützt!
wie dumm kannst du denn noch sein du Troll!
ach, die gibt's wirklich?
sind daran jetzt atari teenage riot schuld?
Zuletzt geändert von a.nienie am 09.04.2006 (14:12), insgesamt 1-mal geändert.
- a.nienie
von hawthorn » 09.04.2006 (12:26)
der Superproll bist du doch wohl eher!
intolerant, dumm und nicht in der Lage ein sachliches Gespräch zu führen! warscheinlich würdest du sogar zuschlagen wenn dir jemand nicht passt!
aber da zeigt es sich mal wieder ganz deutlich wer hier die wirklich aggressiven, intoleranten Menschen sind!
immer schön die Hasskappe überziehen wenn es abend auf Berlins Strassen auf vermeintliche "Faschojagd" geht und sich dann noch beschweren, wenn nicht mal mehr die Bevölkerung eure ach so hochgelobte Missionierung der Gesellschaft unterstützt!
wie dumm kannst du denn noch sein du Troll!
und wer ist hier intolerant ,nur ein ander meinung und gleich ein Troll?
und solche meinung das alle leute mit ein meinung sind so, so auf ein missionierung. wie , kingt mehr als du auf ein misionierung gegen alles was linke ist und alle leute die nicht einschlessen sind dumm troll oder proll oder nicht gut noisers oder ,oder ,oder.
kingt wie ein linkejagd.
oder ein ,"du mach meine ästetik nicht das wegen ich jag dir" jag.
[url]KLIRRBAR.COM[/url]
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hawthorn - Beiträge: 125
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und noch was zum disko.
von hawthorn » 09.04.2006 (13:05)
quelle:
http://www.shesaiddestroy.org/archives/ ... own-words/
Rose Clouds: Douglas Pearce in his own words
Ich halte diesen Beitrag von Stephan Pockrandt von Eislicht (danke!) für so relevant, dass ich ihn aus dem Kommentarkeller zerre und ihn ans Tageslicht bringe. Das ging am 24.01.2006 über die DIJ-Mailinglist ? to whom it may concern:
> This was the reply sent several months ago in response to a variety of accusations from certain parties that eventually resulted in the D**th In June album ?Rosa Wolke? being placed at the end of 2005 (10 years after its release) on Germany?s ?Index? of forbidden fruit that must not be consumed by impressionable Deutsche Jugend!
Perhaps some of you will find it of interest? I think my response is quite reasonable but obviously those who know better did not!
Heilige,?.
Douglas P.
> ?I have been told by my music distributer Tesco Organisation, Germany that I must provide a statement clarifying my work with my group D**th In June to a German government agency responsible for censorship in Germany.
> In the 24 years of D**th In June?s existence I have never explained my work. I feel that would make my art ordinary and stillborn and panders to elements within society that seek to control freedom of expression and thought, abstract or otherwise. All art, whether it be in the form of music, literature, painting etc. worth a grain of salt should be open to interpretation. In turn, this also makes it open to misinterpretation; sometimes good, sometimes bad. It is in the nature of art that ?challenges? or ?confronts? the consumer, or potential consumer, to be misunderstood.
> But here are some facts:
> D**th In June was named after I thought I heard a colleague say those words during our first recording session in 1981. It was an accident of mishearing. I have said this in countless interviews over the years since. It is merely post-rationalization to assume it refers to any one particular event, historic or otherwise. A common interpretation was that it referred to the assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand in Sarajevo in June 1914.
> It didn?t, and doesn?t refer to anything else than ?D**th In June!?
> Before becoming a musician I was a student of 20th century history, as is clearly stated in the whole interview with Zillo magazine in 1992. Apparently a small quote is taken out of context from this interview referring to my interest in Ernst Roehm. I cannot see how one cannot be interested in events and personalities that led directly, or indirectly, to the biggest tragedy of the 20th century ? World War II.
> The fact that I am homosexual as was Ernst Roehm was another point of interest that led to a song ?Brown Book? written in 1986, before German unification, which uses the Horst Wessel Lied to create the atmosphere to a narration juxtaposing the homophobia of a Nazi stormtrooper to the suicidal fatalism of his sexual partner; a Jewish grandmother. The song evokes Germany, 1936. The title comes from the name of the book the Communist authorities of former East Germany kept listing ex-members of the N.S.D.A.P. and S.S. etc. and their positions held in government and other work places in West Germany. A thought provoking song with many contradictory themes which is typical of D**th In June.
> This leads to the song ?Rosa Wolke? issued in 1995. This work was inspired by Mid-Winter and Mid-Summer visits to Iceland where the days during these times of year can be either almost totally dark or either almost totally light. Never completely one thing, nor the other. I experienced a spiritual epiphany during these visits in 1989/1990. The word ?holocaust? is Greek for ?burnt offerings? (normally of a religious kind) and Iceland is full of extinct volcanoes as well as active ones. Its volcanic landscape is the holocaust in question symbolizing death and rebirth. It has nothing to do with the persecution and extermination of Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies etc. by Germany during the years of the IIIrd Reich.
> I am a musician and I do not involve myself in politics and I refuse to be forced into becoming involved in politics. When the German Goth group Das Ich suddenly attempted to politicize a Christmas Festival in Hamburg, Germany in 1992, D**th In June, along with another English group and Projekt Pitchfork from Germany, decided to drop out and not to become involved in what was after all local politics. We wrote, signed and distributed a joint statement explaining our decision, abhorring all forms of violence directed at anyone regardless of race, religion or sexuality (apparently there had been some trouble in Hamburg?) and relocated our performances to a club in Bochum. This became a 3 night residency where anyone with tickets to the Festival who still wanted to celebrate Christmas could do so with D**th In June etc. All 3 nights were sold out. The Dark Xmas Festival was not and fell to bits with the highest political arguments between the remaining Goth groups being as to who should headline! It has been a source of resentment from the Goth ?rock stars? of Das Ich ever since. The music business is filled with jealousy and envy and I attempt to keep my distance from it.
> D**th In June has always been fascinated by symbols and their effects. There is even an album entitled ?But, What Ends When The Symbols Shatter?? The ?Totenkopf 6? is a simple one conveying D**th In June (the 6th month!) but since 1984 a fist holding a whip and 6 has also been extensively used to symbolize D**th In June. In English we have an expression ?to hold the whiphand? which means to take control. In 1997 D**th In June issued an album called ?Take Care And Control?. Everything is connected, everything is symbolic and everything that on a surface level is mutually contradictory is important in the world of D**th In June.
> The 2 words ?Rose clouds?? are beautifully juxtaposed to each other and with ??of holocaust? added the contradictory imagery is complete. The joy of sadness recognized and a life filled with lies abandoned. In ?Lifebooks? ?The swirling sound of swastikas like rotor blades of thought?? brings this conversation piece between 2 close friends to an end. The Sanskrit word for sun-wheel brings perfect closure to a night filled with bad dreams. Dawn has arrived. And, surely if the word ?swastika? in itself is justification for a German government investigation into any work of art then I hope the more famous Iggy Pop and David Bowie?s ?China Girl? (?visions of swastikas in my head??) and Primal Scream?s ?Swastikas Eyes? plus many others deserve equal investigation.
> In June, 2004 I was invited to perform in Tel Aviv, the capital of Israel. D**th In June did so to an enthusiastic audience of over 500 and there are even pictures of me on stage waving a ?Totenkopf 6? flag alongside an Israeli one. I did numerous interviews with both Israeli magazines and radio stations. D**th In June LPs/CDs are freely available in Israel. T-shirts are even licensed for manufacture there.
> I find it ironic that I am so welcomed in Israel yet I am suspiciously viewed by the German authorities for censorship. But, I suppose that fits well with the contradictory nature of D**th In June.
> I am also unsettled by the fact that in Germany, a modern Western democracy and civilization government censorship of the arts should even be entertained. That, along with the organizations or individuals that have brought me to your attention, smell more of Germany?s past than any of D**th In June?s recordings. My father was a career officer in the British Royal Air Force, fought as a pilot against Hitler?s Luftwaffe during World War II and was shot down twice but survived. His first wife was not so lucky and was killed in the London blitz. I have a step-sister as a result of that death. His 3 brothers, my uncles, were all front-line soldiers and the youngest was one of the first troops in the British Royal Artillery to enter Bergen-Belsen KZ and drove bulldozers shoveling the dead inmates into mass graves. All of them thought the only good German was a dead German.
> Coming from such an anti-German family background I have always considered myself part of a generation that was responsible for the reconciliation between our 2 countries. I feel that reconciliation has been achieved. We live in 2005 not 1945.
> I trust that any review of my work is based upon official releases all obtainable from but, not necessarily distributed by Tesco Organisation, Germany. I cannot be held responsible for unofficial releases which have nothing to do with D**th In June but falsely claim to be.
http://www.shesaiddestroy.org/archives/ ... own-words/
Rose Clouds: Douglas Pearce in his own words
Ich halte diesen Beitrag von Stephan Pockrandt von Eislicht (danke!) für so relevant, dass ich ihn aus dem Kommentarkeller zerre und ihn ans Tageslicht bringe. Das ging am 24.01.2006 über die DIJ-Mailinglist ? to whom it may concern:
> This was the reply sent several months ago in response to a variety of accusations from certain parties that eventually resulted in the D**th In June album ?Rosa Wolke? being placed at the end of 2005 (10 years after its release) on Germany?s ?Index? of forbidden fruit that must not be consumed by impressionable Deutsche Jugend!
Perhaps some of you will find it of interest? I think my response is quite reasonable but obviously those who know better did not!
Heilige,?.
Douglas P.
> ?I have been told by my music distributer Tesco Organisation, Germany that I must provide a statement clarifying my work with my group D**th In June to a German government agency responsible for censorship in Germany.
> In the 24 years of D**th In June?s existence I have never explained my work. I feel that would make my art ordinary and stillborn and panders to elements within society that seek to control freedom of expression and thought, abstract or otherwise. All art, whether it be in the form of music, literature, painting etc. worth a grain of salt should be open to interpretation. In turn, this also makes it open to misinterpretation; sometimes good, sometimes bad. It is in the nature of art that ?challenges? or ?confronts? the consumer, or potential consumer, to be misunderstood.
> But here are some facts:
> D**th In June was named after I thought I heard a colleague say those words during our first recording session in 1981. It was an accident of mishearing. I have said this in countless interviews over the years since. It is merely post-rationalization to assume it refers to any one particular event, historic or otherwise. A common interpretation was that it referred to the assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand in Sarajevo in June 1914.
> It didn?t, and doesn?t refer to anything else than ?D**th In June!?
> Before becoming a musician I was a student of 20th century history, as is clearly stated in the whole interview with Zillo magazine in 1992. Apparently a small quote is taken out of context from this interview referring to my interest in Ernst Roehm. I cannot see how one cannot be interested in events and personalities that led directly, or indirectly, to the biggest tragedy of the 20th century ? World War II.
> The fact that I am homosexual as was Ernst Roehm was another point of interest that led to a song ?Brown Book? written in 1986, before German unification, which uses the Horst Wessel Lied to create the atmosphere to a narration juxtaposing the homophobia of a Nazi stormtrooper to the suicidal fatalism of his sexual partner; a Jewish grandmother. The song evokes Germany, 1936. The title comes from the name of the book the Communist authorities of former East Germany kept listing ex-members of the N.S.D.A.P. and S.S. etc. and their positions held in government and other work places in West Germany. A thought provoking song with many contradictory themes which is typical of D**th In June.
> This leads to the song ?Rosa Wolke? issued in 1995. This work was inspired by Mid-Winter and Mid-Summer visits to Iceland where the days during these times of year can be either almost totally dark or either almost totally light. Never completely one thing, nor the other. I experienced a spiritual epiphany during these visits in 1989/1990. The word ?holocaust? is Greek for ?burnt offerings? (normally of a religious kind) and Iceland is full of extinct volcanoes as well as active ones. Its volcanic landscape is the holocaust in question symbolizing death and rebirth. It has nothing to do with the persecution and extermination of Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies etc. by Germany during the years of the IIIrd Reich.
> I am a musician and I do not involve myself in politics and I refuse to be forced into becoming involved in politics. When the German Goth group Das Ich suddenly attempted to politicize a Christmas Festival in Hamburg, Germany in 1992, D**th In June, along with another English group and Projekt Pitchfork from Germany, decided to drop out and not to become involved in what was after all local politics. We wrote, signed and distributed a joint statement explaining our decision, abhorring all forms of violence directed at anyone regardless of race, religion or sexuality (apparently there had been some trouble in Hamburg?) and relocated our performances to a club in Bochum. This became a 3 night residency where anyone with tickets to the Festival who still wanted to celebrate Christmas could do so with D**th In June etc. All 3 nights were sold out. The Dark Xmas Festival was not and fell to bits with the highest political arguments between the remaining Goth groups being as to who should headline! It has been a source of resentment from the Goth ?rock stars? of Das Ich ever since. The music business is filled with jealousy and envy and I attempt to keep my distance from it.
> D**th In June has always been fascinated by symbols and their effects. There is even an album entitled ?But, What Ends When The Symbols Shatter?? The ?Totenkopf 6? is a simple one conveying D**th In June (the 6th month!) but since 1984 a fist holding a whip and 6 has also been extensively used to symbolize D**th In June. In English we have an expression ?to hold the whiphand? which means to take control. In 1997 D**th In June issued an album called ?Take Care And Control?. Everything is connected, everything is symbolic and everything that on a surface level is mutually contradictory is important in the world of D**th In June.
> The 2 words ?Rose clouds?? are beautifully juxtaposed to each other and with ??of holocaust? added the contradictory imagery is complete. The joy of sadness recognized and a life filled with lies abandoned. In ?Lifebooks? ?The swirling sound of swastikas like rotor blades of thought?? brings this conversation piece between 2 close friends to an end. The Sanskrit word for sun-wheel brings perfect closure to a night filled with bad dreams. Dawn has arrived. And, surely if the word ?swastika? in itself is justification for a German government investigation into any work of art then I hope the more famous Iggy Pop and David Bowie?s ?China Girl? (?visions of swastikas in my head??) and Primal Scream?s ?Swastikas Eyes? plus many others deserve equal investigation.
> In June, 2004 I was invited to perform in Tel Aviv, the capital of Israel. D**th In June did so to an enthusiastic audience of over 500 and there are even pictures of me on stage waving a ?Totenkopf 6? flag alongside an Israeli one. I did numerous interviews with both Israeli magazines and radio stations. D**th In June LPs/CDs are freely available in Israel. T-shirts are even licensed for manufacture there.
> I find it ironic that I am so welcomed in Israel yet I am suspiciously viewed by the German authorities for censorship. But, I suppose that fits well with the contradictory nature of D**th In June.
> I am also unsettled by the fact that in Germany, a modern Western democracy and civilization government censorship of the arts should even be entertained. That, along with the organizations or individuals that have brought me to your attention, smell more of Germany?s past than any of D**th In June?s recordings. My father was a career officer in the British Royal Air Force, fought as a pilot against Hitler?s Luftwaffe during World War II and was shot down twice but survived. His first wife was not so lucky and was killed in the London blitz. I have a step-sister as a result of that death. His 3 brothers, my uncles, were all front-line soldiers and the youngest was one of the first troops in the British Royal Artillery to enter Bergen-Belsen KZ and drove bulldozers shoveling the dead inmates into mass graves. All of them thought the only good German was a dead German.
> Coming from such an anti-German family background I have always considered myself part of a generation that was responsible for the reconciliation between our 2 countries. I feel that reconciliation has been achieved. We live in 2005 not 1945.
> I trust that any review of my work is based upon official releases all obtainable from but, not necessarily distributed by Tesco Organisation, Germany. I cannot be held responsible for unofficial releases which have nothing to do with D**th In June but falsely claim to be.
[url]KLIRRBAR.COM[/url]
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von orange » 09.04.2006 (14:36)
sex machine hat geschrieben:Wieso "Ignore"-Button? Nur weil man das Thema oder Buesser nicht so prickelnd findet, muss man nicht saemtliche Beitraege von Blendwerk ignorieren, oder?
natürlich nicht. aber lieber ignorieren als stumpf abnerven. ist ja nix neues, dass es hier uffn board politisch polarisiert abgeht.
man kann und sollte ihn oder es zweifellos kritisieren. aber nicht GEH WEG! BITTE! schreiben, das ist etwas hohl und hat nix mit meinungsfreiheit zu tun. jeder hat nen klumpen gehirnmasse im kopp und kann sich seine eigene meinung bilden. dazu braucht er oder sie keine dummen comments ......
und klar kann man mit den meisten referenten diskutieren. ick hab das getan und war 2x überrascht über die nüchterne objektivität.
- orange
von sex machine » 09.04.2006 (18:39)
Wer bestimmt oder definiert das? Wer zieht wo die Grenzen?
Ich find`s (mal wieder) gerade angenehm, dass nicht alle einer Meinung sind. Das macht die Angelegenheit ja interessant.
So fand ich Yelworcs Kommentar durchaus humorvoll (und schliesslich hat er "Bitte!" gesagt). L.White hast Du ja auch nicht gerade mit Samthandschuhen angefasst. Kennst Du den Herrn persoenlich??? Eine sehr ruhige und (im positiven Sinne) unauffaellige Person. Warum sollte er laut groehlend (gerade) solch eine Veranstaltung ueberfallen???
Freiheit ist halt auch immer die Freiheit des Andersdenkenden.
Ich find`s (mal wieder) gerade angenehm, dass nicht alle einer Meinung sind. Das macht die Angelegenheit ja interessant.
So fand ich Yelworcs Kommentar durchaus humorvoll (und schliesslich hat er "Bitte!" gesagt). L.White hast Du ja auch nicht gerade mit Samthandschuhen angefasst. Kennst Du den Herrn persoenlich??? Eine sehr ruhige und (im positiven Sinne) unauffaellige Person. Warum sollte er laut groehlend (gerade) solch eine Veranstaltung ueberfallen???
Freiheit ist halt auch immer die Freiheit des Andersdenkenden.
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von And242 » 09.04.2006 (19:28)
sex machine hat geschrieben:Freiheit ist halt auch immer die Freiheit des Andersdenkenden.
Ach wär das schön, wenn's so wäre...
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